{"id":2844,"date":"2023-12-22T13:39:07","date_gmt":"2023-12-22T12:39:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.next-care.eu\/entrevista-olivier-frezet\/"},"modified":"2023-12-22T14:38:56","modified_gmt":"2023-12-22T13:38:56","slug":"entrevista-olivier-frezet","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.next-care.eu\/fr\/entrevista-olivier-frezet\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview: Olivier Frezet, directeur SSIAD\/SPASAD et DomCare. Maison de Sant\u00e9 Protestante Bordeaux Bagatelle."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section][et_pb_row][et_pb_column type=\u00a0\u00bb4_4&Prime;][et_pb_text]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q1. En quoi consistent vos bonnes pratiques en mati\u00e8re d&rsquo;innovation dans le mod\u00e8le de soins et d&rsquo;attention ? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ce ne sont pas des \u00ab&nbsp;bonnes pratiques&nbsp;\u00bb, n\u2019ayant aucune pr\u00e9tention. Je crois simplement qu\u2019il faut OSER, faire bouger des lignes, visiter des interstices non suffisamment visit\u00e9es. En partant de la personne en difficult\u00e9 et de celle qui l\u2019aide, \u00e9tudier ce que nous pourrions lui ou leur amener de plus et gagner du temps pour la r\u00e9ponse, sur un territoire pr\u00e9cis. Notre syst\u00e8me DomCare a \u00e9t\u00e9 cr\u00e9\u00e9 sur deux niveaux&nbsp;: le site des urgences hospitali\u00e8res et la question du retour s\u00e9curis\u00e9 la nuit de la personne \u00e2g\u00e9e&nbsp;; l\u2019aide aux aidants, de fa\u00e7on personnalis\u00e9e, avec l\u2019accompagnement d\u2019une \u00e9quipe pluridisciplinaire. Comment essayer d\u2019aider les aidants le plus en amont possible&nbsp;?<\/p>\n<p>Constitution de deux \u00e9quipes l\u00e9g\u00e8res, dynamiques, permettant une \u00e9coute singuli\u00e8re, une passerelle facilitant le passage entre le monde sanitaire, m\u00e9dico-social et social.<\/p>\n<p>Sur le soin strict, nous allons mettre en place sur le service de soin \u00e0 domicile une nouvelle organisation, en 10H de travail. Cela va nous permettre de revisiter la vision du soin et non seulement l\u2019acte de soin. Comment, avec un changement d\u2019organisation, permettre un meilleur accompagnement, mieux coller au projet de vie de la personne.<\/p>\n<p>Avoir l\u2019esprit de \u00ab s\u00e9rendipit\u00e9 \u00bb qui&nbsp; est ce \u00ab don de faire des trouvailles ou la facult\u00e9 de d\u00e9couvrir, d\u2019inventer ou de cr\u00e9er ce qui n\u2019\u00e9tait pas cherch\u00e9 dans la science, la technique, l\u2019art, la politique et la vie quotidienne, gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 une observation surprenante. (Van Andel, P. &amp; Bourcier, D. [2009].<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q2. Quel impact social votre bonne pratique a-t-elle eu sur la population cible ? Quels avantages peut-on identifier ? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Les deux \u00e9quipes (celle des urgences et celle des aidants) nous permet d\u2019\u00eatre aupr\u00e8s de 300 personnes environ pour l\u2019une et entre 200 et 250 pour l\u2019autre. Meilleure identification de ces deux services dans l\u2019environnement professionnel, dans certains territoires, la possibilit\u00e9 d\u2019informer sur la notion d\u2019Aidance (d\u2019ouvrir vers de nouveaux horizons (salari\u00e9s, jeunes\u2026.)), permettre aux personnes en difficult\u00e9s d\u2019\u00eatre soutenues de fa\u00e7on temporaire suite \u00e0 une crise.<\/p>\n<p>Pour la nouvelle organisation du service de soins \u00e0 domicile, nous \u00e9tudierons l\u2019impact aupr\u00e8s des personnes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q3. Comment envisagez-vous l&rsquo;avenir des soins li\u00e9s \u00e0 la long\u00e9vit\u00e9 ? Comment pouvons-nous nous pr\u00e9parer \u00e0 une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 o\u00f9 ce sujet deviendra de plus en plus important ? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Formation \/information sur le vieillissement et Pr\u00e9venance<\/p>\n<p>\u00ab&nbsp;<em>D\u2019un c\u00f4t\u00e9, on tente de gu\u00e9rir [le] grand-\u00e2ge comme si c\u2019\u00e9tait une maladie&nbsp;; de l\u2019autre, on tente de l\u2019oublier comme s\u2019il n\u2019y avait qu\u2019un seul \u00e2ge de la vie \u2013 la jeunesse \u2013 qui vaille d\u2019\u00eatre v\u00e9cu<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb (Tavoillot, 2017, p. 150). On ne peut que s\u2019interroger sur l\u2019attitude de notre soci\u00e9t\u00e9 face \u00e0 la vieillesse. Elle rel\u00e8ve, tout \u00e0 la fois, du d\u00e9ni, d\u2019une s\u00e9v\u00e8re inculture et d\u2019un fatalisme multis\u00e9culaire nourri \u00e0 des pr\u00e9jug\u00e9s tenaces. La vieillesse est enferm\u00e9e dans le pr\u00e9fixe privatif \u00ab&nbsp;de-&nbsp;\u00bb, elle est \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9ficit&nbsp;\u00bb, \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9clin&nbsp;\u00bb, \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9pendance&nbsp;\u00bb, \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9g\u00e9n\u00e9rescence&nbsp;\u00bb, \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9t\u00e9rioration&nbsp;\u00bb, \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9mence&nbsp;\u00bb, \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9pression&nbsp;\u00bb, \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9b\u00e2cle&nbsp;\u00bb, \u2026 Cependant, cette vieillesse ressentie comme inutile, \u00ab&nbsp;d\u00e9 \u00bb pourvue de sens et ne valant plus d\u2019\u00eatre v\u00e9cue, nous fragilise fortement et nous met face \u00e0 d\u2019intenses souffrances.<\/p>\n<p>Il nous faut revitaliser cette notion du vieillissement, la transmettre aux plus jeunes, la faire vivre. Bien entendu rappeler la complexit\u00e9 et l\u2019h\u00e9t\u00e9rog\u00e9n\u00e9it\u00e9 de la dynamique du viellissement. Aborder cette notion d\u00e8s le plus jeune \u00e2ge par le biais de la formation.<\/p>\n<p>D\u00e9velopper la questino de la pr\u00e9vention, mais centr\u00e9e sur la personne dans son environnement et non suelemnt sur une pathologie. D\u00e9veloppons ce que nous nommons avec Jean Bouisson, la pr\u00e9venance (pr\u00e9sence aupr\u00e8s de l\u2019autre et bienveillance).<\/p>\n<p>Alors que l\u2019on parle de soins, bien mettre au coeur de la d\u00e9marche professionnelle le projet de VIE de la personne en difficult\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section][et_pb_row][et_pb_column type=\u00a0\u00bb4_4&Prime;][et_pb_text] Q1. En quoi consistent vos bonnes pratiques en mati\u00e8re d&rsquo;innovation dans le mod\u00e8le de soins et d&rsquo;attention ? Ce ne sont pas des \u00ab&nbsp;bonnes pratiques&nbsp;\u00bb, n\u2019ayant aucune pr\u00e9tention. Je crois simplement qu\u2019il faut OSER, faire bouger des lignes, visiter des interstices non suffisamment visit\u00e9es. En partant de la personne en difficult\u00e9 et de [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":2840,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"off","_et_pb_old_content":"<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>P1. \u00bfEn qu\u00e9 consisten sus buenas pr\u00e1cticas en innovaci\u00f3n en el modelo de atenci\u00f3n y cuidados?<\/strong><\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>No son \"buenas pr\u00e1cticas\", ya que no tengo ninguna pretensi\u00f3n. Simplemente creo que hay que ATREVERSE, mover las l\u00edneas, visitar huecos que no est\u00e1n suficientemente visitados. Empezando por la persona con dificultades y la persona que la ayuda, podemos estudiar lo que podr\u00edamos hacer por ella y ahorrar tiempo de respuesta, en un \u00e1mbito concreto. Nuestro sistema DomCare se cre\u00f3 a dos niveles: el de las urgencias hospitalarias y la cuesti\u00f3n del regreso seguro de la persona mayor por la noche; y el de la ayuda a los cuidadores, de forma personalizada, con el apoyo de un equipo multidisciplinar. \u00bfC\u00f3mo podemos intentar ayudar a los cuidadores lo antes posible?<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Crearemos dos equipos din\u00e1micos para ofrecer una escucha personalizada y un puente entre los sectores sanitario, m\u00e9dico, social y asistencial.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>En cuanto a la atenci\u00f3n, vamos a introducir una nueva semana laboral de 10 horas para el servicio de atenci\u00f3n a domicilio. Esto nos permitir\u00e1 revisar la visi\u00f3n del cuidado y no s\u00f3lo eso, tambi\u00e9n estamos estudiando c\u00f3mo un cambio de organizaci\u00f3n puede proporcionar un mejor apoyo y estar m\u00e1s en sinton\u00eda con el proyecto de vida de la persona\".<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Tener esp\u00edritu de \"serendipia\", que es el \"don de hacer descubrimientos o la capacidad de descubrir, inventar o crear lo que no se buscaba en la ciencia, la tecnolog\u00eda, el arte, la pol\u00edtica y la vida cotidiana, gracias a una observaci\u00f3n sorprendente\" (Van Andel, P. &amp; Bourcier, D. [2009].<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>P2. \u00bfQu\u00e9 impacto social ha tenido su buena pr\u00e1ctica en la poblaci\u00f3n destinataria? \u00bfQu\u00e9 beneficios puede identificar?<\/strong><\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Los dos equipos (el de urgencias y el de cuidadores) nos permiten trabajar con unas 300 personas en un caso y entre 200 y 250 en el otro. Una mejor identificaci\u00f3n de estos dos servicios en el entorno profesional, en determinados \u00e1mbitos, la posibilidad de informar sobre el concepto de Aidance (apertura a nuevos horizontes (trabajadores, j\u00f3venes....)), que permite apoyar temporalmente a las personas en dificultad tras una crisis.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Para la nueva organizaci\u00f3n del servicio de ayuda a domicilio, estudiaremos el impacto en las personas.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>P3. \u00bfC\u00f3mo ve el futuro de la atenci\u00f3n a la longevidad? \u00bfC\u00f3mo podemos prepararnos para una sociedad en la que esta cuesti\u00f3n ser\u00e1 cada vez m\u00e1s importante?<\/strong><\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Formaci\u00f3n\/informaci\u00f3n sobre envejecimiento y prevenci\u00f3n.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>\"Por un lado, intentamos curar [la vejez] como si fuera una enfermedad; por otro, intentamos olvidarnos de ella como si solo hubiera una edad de la vida -la juventud- que mereciera la pena vivir\" (Tavoillot, 2017, p. 150). S\u00f3lo podemos s No podemos dejar de preguntarnos por la actitud de nuestra sociedad ante la vejez. Es una combinaci\u00f3n de negaci\u00f3n, una grave falta de cultura y un fatalismo secular alimentado por prejuicios constantes. La vejez se encierra en el prefijo privativo \"de-\", es \"d\u00e9ficit\", \"declive\", \"dependencia\", \"degeneraci\u00f3n\", \"deterioro\", \"demencia\", \"depresi\u00f3n\", \"debacle\", ... Sin embargo, esta vejez sentida como in\u00fatil, \"de\" carente de sentido y que ya no vale la pena vivir, nos hace muy fr\u00e1giles y nos enfrenta a un intenso sufrimiento.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Necesitamos revitalizar esta noci\u00f3n de envejecimiento, transmitirla a los m\u00e1s j\u00f3venes y darle vida. Por supuesto, debemos recordar la complejidad y heterogeneidad de la din\u00e1mica del envejecimiento. Abordar esta noci\u00f3n desde una edad temprana a trav\u00e9s de la educaci\u00f3n.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Desarrollemos el tema de la prevenci\u00f3n, pero centr\u00e1ndonos en la persona en su entorno y no s\u00f3lo en una patolog\u00eda. Desarrollemos lo que llamamos, con Jean Bouisson, prevenci\u00f3n (estar presente y cuidar de los dem\u00e1s).<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Al hablar de cuidados, debemos situar el proyecto de vida de la persona en dificultad en el centro del enfoque profesional.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->","_et_gb_content_width":"","sfsi_plus_gutenberg_text_before_share":"","sfsi_plus_gutenberg_show_text_before_share":"","sfsi_plus_gutenberg_icon_type":"","sfsi_plus_gutenberg_icon_alignemt":"","sfsi_plus_gutenburg_max_per_row":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2844","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-non-classifiee"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.0 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Interview: Olivier Frezet, directeur SSIAD\/SPASAD et DomCare. 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